========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:38:57 EST Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Karen Litman Subject: Re: AO(Hel)Lers Attention MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This from Ellie Miller, long time friend of Jacqueline and I. This was sent to another list. I thought it might be worth passing on. Any of our tech people have an opinion? --- Karen Litman << I know we're always being deluged with stuff about scams, but this showed up this AM and I thought I would pass it on. I'm doing so primarily because I fell for the second scam mentioned (update billing info) and it came with a really nasty Trojan horse attached that took a lot of work to get rid of. I'm also a little concerned about the "flashing message" (though I don't know what they mean by "flashing") one because I've had a couple of spam-y IMs pop up recently and I just closed the screen. Hope I'm not in some kind of trouble. Anyway, for what it's worth: **************************** > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hello to all my AOL friends... Today while I was online an AOL Billing information error screen popped up on my screen. It looked very legit. It said my billing cycle was up and they needed more info. It had numerous boxes for me to fill out. i.e.: Name, address, Town, State. On one side and Credit Card Info on the other... Card, number, Expiration Date, Card holder name. The upper right hand box was whited out I could not X out of this. It had a "Submit" box to click. When I did that (I had not filled out ANY info) . It gave me an error requesting my name. I called AOL. THIS IS NOT AOL. IT LOOKS JUST LIKE "MEMBER SERVICE'S" INFO ... do not ... DO NOT FILL ANYTHING IN. YOU MUST "CONTROL, ALT, DELETE AND GET OUT OF AOL AND RESIGN ON"... PLEASE INFORM ANY OF YOUR OTHER BUDDIES ONLINE. I RECEIVED TWO OF THEM. PLEASE. IT'S SOMEONE TRYING TO GET YOUR INFO. IT IS NOT AOL.................. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ And one more... If you get a flashing IM, DO NOT reply or delete, but sign off immediately and re-sign on! Then change your password immediately. If you are unable to sign on, call AOL !!! The number is: 1-800-827-6364 The Flashing IM is a password stealer. This has been confirmed by AOL. PLEASE FORWARD TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW >>>> >> ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:25:47 +0000 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Jenn Vesperman Subject: Re: AO(Hel)Lers Attention MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Karen Litman wrote: > > This from Ellie Miller, long time friend of Jacqueline and I. This was sent > to another list. I thought it might be worth passing on. Any of our tech > people have an opinion? --- Karen Litman > It will come to you as....... > "America online year 2000 Update" > it will have a File: Y2KFIX.EXE (41229 bytes) > DL Time (115200 bps): < 1 minute Yes. 1. Don't download or run any executable that does not come from an absolutely trusted source. 2. Note that businesses don't communicate by chain letter. If AOL wants to inform you of something, they'll do it by their usual means - I think that's some infothing on their flash page. 3. If you want to check out whether a warning like this is a hoax or not, check out the web page of the company purported to be making the warning, and/or search IBM, Symantec, Norton, McAfee or one of the other large companies which write antiviruses, and search for 'virus hoax' on their internal database. Jenn V. -- Humans are the only species to feed and house entirely separate species for no reason other than the pleasure of their company. Why? jenn@xxxxxx.com Jenn Vesperman http://www.simegen.com/~jenn/ ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:31:19 +0000 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: "Dancer, The" Subject: Re: AO(Hel)Lers Attention MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My opinion: If something asks you to forward it. Don't. The best thing to do in the case of virus and security warnings is mail folks and tell them something like: 'Hey, I just heard that there was a new (PC|mail|trojan|selyn) virus out. Go check the news page at one of the antivirus companies. They'll tell you if your system is at risk at all.' A simple web-search will turn up the news pages for mcafee, avp, nortons and others. Or you can get there through one of the web-directories like yahoo. Also, the sites have comprehensive pages on the hoaxes, usually within an hour or two of the hoax being sent out. D Karen Litman wrote: > This from Ellie Miller, long time friend of Jacqueline and I. This was sent > to another list. I thought it might be worth passing on. Any of our tech > people have an opinion? --- Karen Litman > > << > I know we're always being deluged with stuff about scams, but this showed up > this AM and I thought I would pass it on. I'm doing so primarily because I > fell for the second scam mentioned (update billing info) and it came with a > really nasty Trojan horse attached that took a lot of work to get rid of. > I'm also a little concerned about the "flashing message" (though I don't > know > what they mean by "flashing") one because I've had a couple of spam-y IMs > pop > up recently and I just closed the screen. Hope I'm not in some kind of > trouble. Anyway, for what it's worth: > **************************** > you know...VIRUS & SCAM WARNINGS!!!! > > It will come to you as....... > "America online year 2000 Update" > it will have a File: Y2KFIX.EXE (41229 bytes) > DL Time (115200 bps): < 1 minute > > DO NOT DOWNLOAD IT, ITS A VIRUS ! > > 1) IF AOL WANTED TO UPDATE YOUR SYSTEM, THEY WOULD > DO IT WHILE YOU WERE ONLINE, NOT THIS WAY > 2) IF AOL WERE TO DO IT THIS WAY THEY WOULD JUST SEND > YOU AN EMAIL TO CONTACT THEIR WEBSIGHT AND THEN > DOWNLOAD THE NECESSARY FILE > > FORWARD TO "TOSEMAIL1" > > THE REST OF IT GOES AS FOLLOWS: > > Hello, I am Richard Brunner of the AOL TECH Team and we have recently > finished work on this project which is the AOL Year 2000 Update. The > function > of this program is to make your AOL version completely compatible with the > year 2000 bugs that will occur on most computers. This program will work on > Windows 3.1, Windows 95, Windows 98, and Macintosh. It has been made to be > as > user-friendly as possible. > > You just have to: > 1. Double click on the icon > 2. Restart your computer > and your computer and AOL will automatically be updated. If you > experience > any problems with this file please report them to this e-mail address. > > Thanks for your time, > Richard Brunner > AOL Tech Staff > emp#104586027 >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Hello to all my AOL friends... Today while I was online an AOL > Billing > information error screen popped up on my screen. > > It looked very legit. It said my billing cycle was up and they needed > more info. > It had numerous boxes for me to fill out. i.e.: Name, address, Town, > State. On one side and Credit Card Info on the other... Card, number, > Expiration Date, Card holder name. The upper right hand box was whited out I > could not X out of this. > > It had a "Submit" box to click. When I did that (I had not filled out > ANY > info) . It gave me an error requesting my name. I called AOL. THIS IS NOT > AOL. IT LOOKS JUST LIKE "MEMBER SERVICE'S" > > INFO ... do not ... DO NOT FILL ANYTHING IN. YOU MUST "CONTROL, > ALT, DELETE AND GET OUT OF AOL AND RESIGN ON"... > > PLEASE INFORM ANY OF YOUR OTHER BUDDIES ONLINE. I RECEIVED TWO OF THEM. > PLEASE. IT'S SOMEONE TRYING TO GET YOUR INFO. IT IS NOT > AOL.................. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > And one more... > > If you get a flashing IM, DO NOT reply or delete, > but sign off immediately and re-sign on! > Then change your password immediately. If you are unable to > sign > on, call AOL !!! > The number is: 1-800-827-6364 > The Flashing IM is a password stealer. > This has been confirmed by AOL. > > PLEASE FORWARD TO EVERYONE > YOU KNOW >>>> > >> > > ---------- > You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. > To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to > LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text > "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". > ---------- ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:20:52 -0600 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Jean Lorrah Subject: For the Technically Minded Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Once again, the reason I occasionally put information about Linux on the list is that it is the system that simegen.com runs on. Jean http://www.linuxone.net/ >From PC World Online LinuxOne Offers a Lite Version for the Masses Wonder what all the fuss is about Linux? Find out for yourself. by James Niccolai, IDG News Service November 2, 1999, 5:12 p.m. PT SAN FRANCISCO -- Users who are eager to try out the Linux operating system but don't have a lot of technical know-how may have a friend in LinuxOne Inc. The software firm said today it has released a version of Linux that has been simplified especially for first-time users of the OS. Called LinuxOne Lite, the software is aimed chiefly at curious PC enthusiasts, and may also be popular with educators and businesses who want a version of the open-source operating system that's easy to set up and use in a training environment, the company said in a statement issued today. LinuxOne Lite has been designed in particular to be easy and quick to install, and doesn't require users to know how to partition a hard disk, as other Linux distributions commonly do, the company said. The program is based on LinuxOne--the company's full Linux distribution--and occupies about 600MB of hard disk space, the company said. The software can be ordered today from LinuxOne's Web site. The product is available for an introductory price of $9.95, plus $10 for shipping and handling in the U.S., according to information on the company's Web site. Corel Corp. has also created a version of Linux aimed at first-time users that is designed to be easy to install and run. Corel plans to launch its distribution, called Corel Linux, during the Comdex trade show in Las Vegas later this month.=20 Copyright =A9 1999 PC World Communications. All Rights Reserved.=20 Contents of this e-mail are my opinion unless otherwise attributed. http://www.simegen.com/Jean "The difference between malice and ignorance is hard to distinguish, and to maintain the desire to distinguish requires the patience of a saint."--John Kessel ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:24:01 EST Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Karen Litman Subject: Perspectives Newsletter -- November 1999 Comments: To: newsletter-l@xxxxxx.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sime~Gen Perspectives Newsletter November, 1999 Anniversaries!=20 Welcome to those new to this Newsletter! We expect you'll be counting many= =20 anniversaries here, and we will soon regard those of you joining us in=20 October of 1999 as having been "in on the ground floor."=20 October 26, 1999 was the first anniversary of our domain moving onto its ow= n=20 server hardware. January 1, 2000 will be the first anniversary of the=20 beginning of the build-out of these web pages. January 28, 2000 will be th= e=20 first anniversary of the incorporation of Sime~Gen Inc. which owns=20 WorldCrafters Guild. The WorldCrafters Guild opened with its first course=20 June 6, 1999. That course finishes with its final exam November 28, 1999.=20= =20 And November 29, 1999 we begin our second course, The Radio Play.=20 July 2000 will be the 4th anniversary of when I (Jacqueline Lichtenberg)=20 moved from Prodigy to AOL and began discovering Sime~Gen fans who had moved=20 online, rediscovering old friends, and finding new ones. Notably among the= m=20 are Jenn and Dancer Vesperman who have created our server from pieces, and=20 who program and run the server and its invisible tech-magic that lets this=20 school work, and an old friend, Marge Robbins, a superb writer who has=20 become the domain's webmaster. In addition, we have a small army of other=20 independent contractors building our content and recreating us on nearly a=20 monthly basis.=20 Our new content for the year 2000 has come into existence in virtually =20 nothing flat -- all due to hundreds and hundreds of hours of labor by this=20 terribly overworked crew keeping to this brutal pace. (even though you've=20 never seen them sweat - trust me, it's a brutal pace.)=20 November 1999 will see the complete overhaul and redesign of our DIRECTORY=20 TREE. Almost every URL on this server will suddenly (from your point of=20 view, overnight!) change. The old URLs will still appear to work -- but yo= u=20 will be instantly bounced to the NEW URL. YOU must re-bookmark that URL,=20 because eventually the forwards will be deleted.=20 As soon as the Tree Morphing is completed, our overhaul of our APPEARANCE=20 will begin. Gradually, the look and feel of all these pages will change=20 before your eyes. We will be installing new, more user-friendly and=20 intuitively obvious navigation aids. The names of places will change.=20 As we continue to add content, courses, and attractions, we are about to=20 launch our next great effort - to build our traffic. We expect to pay for=20 all this by advertising revenue, and thus be able to keep the school free t= o=20 students. To achieve that, we will need a vast increase in traffic.=20 What can you do to help? Spread the word. Mention us on newsgroups, on =20 your own websites, at gatherings, in your sig file, in line at the grocery=20 counter -- anywhere and everywhere you might be overheard. Then write to us= =20 and tell us advertising@xxxxxx.com about what you've done. If we meet our traffic building goals in 2000, this school will always be=20 free to students.=20 ************************ WorldCrafter's Poetry Contest The WorldCrafters Guild Poetry contest is now closed, and the poems are in the hands of the judge. Our first writing contest was a huge success,=20 drawing nearly fifty entries, and we thank everyone who participated. We expect the winner to be announced before the end of the month--watch the Winner's Circle (see below) for the announcement and posting of winning=20 entries, or subscribe to the Contests Newsletter at =20 http://www.simegen.com/archives/wa.cgi?SUBED1=3Dcontests-l&A=3D1 to be among= the first to know. _____________________ Story Contest N3F Story contest -- there's a HISTORY to this too.=20 N3F (National Fantasy Fan Federation) =20 http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Atlantis/6270/ is the first sf fan=20 organization I joined when I was in 7th grade, and I'm STILL a member. It=20 was founded by damon knight (small letters on the name are correct) who also= =20 founded SFWA of which I am also a member.=20 It was in the N3F that I got my first lessons in professional writing, from= =20 a writer named Alma Hill -- who taught me the most important thing I ever=20 learned about writing. And now it's the motto of WorldCrafters Guild. =20 "Writing is a Performing Art".=20 N3F still runs its STORY CONTEST -- and is currently running it. Years ago= ,=20 the editor of the Sime~Gen fanzine, Ambrov Zeor see =20 http://www.simegen.com/in-t/rimonslibrary/ was Kerry Lindemann- Schaefer,= =20 and she was also writing her now famous Freven stories (you can read them at= =20 Rimon's Library). She entered the short story contest at N3F and won with a= =20 story "Cloudscape" -- and went on to sell a couple short stories but still=20 bills herself as an amateur writer. Now she has a number of stories of her= =20 own written in various TV series universes (Hercules, Alien Nation, KF:TLC=20= )=20 posted to http://www2.cconnect.net/kerry/ and is marketing a couple of=20 novels (great novels, too) to the online publishers. The N3F story contest is a good place to start for serious, aspiring writers= =20 in the sf/f field.=20 __________________________ News from the World of E-Books "Announced...at the Frankfurt Book Fair: Microsoft Corp is putting up=20 $160,000 to establish awards for literary achievement in the emerging online= =20 book industry. The new Frankfurt e-Book Awards will be presented annually in= =20 seven categories, including a prize of $100,000 for the best work published=20 originally in electronic form. First recipients will be announced next year at the Frankfurt show, the=20 world's largest book fair. (Publisher's Weekly)" Rules, etc., to be posted a= t http://frankfurt-ebook-awards.org/ ///////////////////////////// Food on the Web free food on the web: Step 1) go to http://www.flooz.com and give them three email addresses. Ge= t your fre $5 flooz (web money.) Step 2) go to http://www.mothernature.com click on the free $20 groceries coupon and pick out groceries that are In Stock. There's $3.95 shipping. Pay that with the flooz. At this time of Holiday celebrations, you can also donate free food to the=20 hungry. I've bookmarked this site, and go there daily. This is for real. =20 You can donate food to the hungry by clicking on the button on the website.=20= =20 You get the names of the cash donors after you click. http://www.thehungersite.com/ ///////////////////////////// News from the Webmaster WEBMASTER'S CORNER By Marge Robbins Webmaster@xxxxxx.com This is a very busy and exciting time for the Webmaster staff here at=20 SimeGen.com. We are in the end stages of redesigning our web tree. With the= =20 expert assistance of Jenn and Dancer Vesperman. Our Programmers/System=20 Administors we are going to rearrange our websites to make them more=20 accessible and easier to navigate. Sometime in early November FTP access for webmasters will be blocked for=20 several hours. Jenn, Dancer and I will rearrange the webserver and put all=20 our pages in their new homes. We will also update all the links. Once we=20 have everything working right FTP access will be restored. If you have a sit= e=20 on simegen.com all you will need to do is login and download your pages with= =20 the new URLs. During the changeover mail services will continue as usual.=20 The webserver will be available for most of our working time. There will be=20 at most a few minutes of disruption while we move the new tree into place on= =20 Keon. Dancer will also teach Creeping Need (our pet name for our error 404=20 process) to inform visitors that the URLs they are looking for have changed,= =20 then waft them gently to the new location. In time this will automagically=20 update search engines and intelligent browsers. I will announce the date i= n=20 simegen-l as soon as we settle on a date and time. I am also very pleased to announce that my staff is increasing. Karen=20 Litman has agreed to serve as an Assistant Webmaster. She does coding and=20 tech support for our webmasters. She also helps with the posting of student=20 assigments.=20 Patric Michael, Assistant Webmaster and Domain Artist is back with us, for=20 the winter months at least. He will be busy redesigning the domain, doing=20 artwork, and administering the Studentshowcase area. Welcome back Patric, yo= u=20 have been missed. Jeff Hall has also joined my staff as an Assistant Webmaster. He is tireles= s=20 and very valuable. He has done most of the work in getting "Flames of=20 Inspiration," our e-cards project, underway. He's also accepted a position=20 as Startup Coordinator for our WorldCrafter's Guild. And as if that wasn't=20 enough work he will be working with Patric to maintain the Studentshowcase=20 area. This is where all class assignments are posted. We are also very pleased to welcome Claire Gadzikowski as a graphics=20 specialist. She will be assisting Patric and I with our web graphics. Welcom= e=20 aboard Claire. Your talents are sorely needed. /////////////////////////////// The Winner's Circle A website on Simegen.com now exists to announce all the winners of our=20 various contests. Go to http://www.simegen.com/contest/winners.html =20 The winners of the NAME THE VILLAIN contest are the first announced there. =20 They are: Janet Coleman Sides, who gave us the name of CLIRE FARRIS, and =20 Deborah Thompson who gave us RAVEN STONEDRAGON, which will be used as a=20 nickname for the character. /////////////////////////////////// Introducing Michelle Freeman -- she wrote to ambrovzeor@xxxxxx.com the followin= g: I'd also like to take this opportunity to thank you for the Sime~Gen novels.= =20 I read them as a miserable, malleable, Midwestern teenager, and they helped=20 to establish some of my core values. From them, I learned not to fear those= =20 who are different, and that it is possible and sometimes even necessary to=20 love someone who is unlike oneself. I've since grown up to marry a Jewish=20 man (I'm Methodist), and we have adopted a daughter from India. I am=20 eternally grateful that I, as my mother often put it, "wasted my time readin= g=20 science fiction, which has nothing to do with the real world." welcome to Michelle, and all the other new fans who've joined us since the=20 last Newsletter ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Contributors this issue: Jacqueline Lichtenberg Jean Lorrah Lois Wickstrom Marge Robbins Karen Litman *Please Note all material posted on Official Virtual Tecton is copyright =A9= by Sime~Gen Inc. and ALL RIGHTS ARE RESERVED. TO GET YOUR SIME~GEN(tm) MATERIAL= =20 SANCTIONED FOR WEB POSTING or TO GET PERMISSION TO REPOST FROM OFFICIAL=20 MATERIALS EMAIL AMBROVZEOR@xxxxxx.COM, contact simegen@xxxxxx.com. Sime~Gen (t= m) is the trademark of a fictional universe ) copyright =A9 by Jacqueline=20 Lichtenberg,1969, 1974, 1977, 1978, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1984, 1986 and Sime~Ge= n=20 Inc. 1999=20 ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:17:47 -0600 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Kandace Klumper Subject: copy of Dushau MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was in a used bookstore this past weekend and found a copy of Jacqueline'= s "Dushau". The cover is only in fair condition, but the book itself is fin= e. I offer it to anyone for the cost of shipping (method of shipping defini= tely negotiable). e-mail me privately either at klumperk@xxxxxx.org OR kandacek@xxxxxx.com Kandy ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:28:23 -0500 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: "James D. Macdonald" Subject: Re: AO(Hel)Lers Attention In-Reply-To: <0.d42eef51.254f2a31@xxxxxx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >From http://www.Europe.DataFellows.com/hoaxes/aol2000u.htm F-Secure Hoax Warnings Pages NAME: AOL2000 Update Here's the example of the hoax. THIS IS A LEGIT VIRUS WARNING -- DON'T DOWNLOAD, FORWARD TO TOSEMAIL1 IT WILL COME TO YOU AS "America online year 2000 Update" it will have a file: File: Y2KFIX.EXE (41229 bytes) DL Time (115200 bps): < 1 minute DO NOT DOWNLOAD IT, ITS A VIRUS . [snip] Ignore this hoax warning and do not pass it on. ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:32:24 -0500 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: "James D. Macdonald" Subject: Re: AO(Hel)Lers Attention In-Reply-To: <0.d42eef51.254f2a31@xxxxxx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >From http://www.Europe.DataFellows.com/hoaxes/flashim.htm F-Secure Hoax Warnings Pages NAME: Flashing IM hoax Here's a copy of the original hoax: If you get a Flashing IM, DO NOT reply or delete, but sign off immediately and re-sign on! Then change your password immediately. If you are unable to sign on, call AOL !!! The number is 1-800-827-6364 The Flashing IM is a password stealer. This has been confirmed by AOL. PLEASE FOWARD TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW!! Ignore this hoax warning and do not pass it on. ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:49:09 +0000 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Marge Subject: Keon's changeover MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We've set a date for the remake of Keon's webtree. Saturday at 8 PM central time Jenn Dancer and I will redo the tree. FTP access will be blocked for a few hours. Email will work as usual. The webserver will response normally for most of the time we're working. Once FTP is restored, if you have a site on simegen.com you will need to log in and download your pages. Dancer will be running a script that will update all your links for you. He's also putting redirects in place so that surfers will be informed that pages have been moved, given the new address and taken to them. In time this will update search engines and intelligent browsers. As usual when you do anything this massive there may be a few minor owees. But we anticpate that this will go fairly well. Any problems please report them to webmaster@xxxxxx.com Marge -- **************************************************************** webmaster@xxxxxx.com http://www.simegen.com Please allow 3 business days for the fullfillment of requests **************************************************************** ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:10:59 -0600 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Jean Lorrah Subject: Free E-books Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Here is a company that will give you a free electronic book for filling out a survey. I got this information from the e-books listserv. Jean Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 15:32:55 PST From: "Serendipity Books" Subject: [eBook-List] What do Rocket eBook users want? Serendipity Systems has been publishing electronic books since 1986, and we have just started publishing Rocket Editions. In order to serve the needs of Rocket eBook users, we'd like to know what types of books you want. A survey form will be found at: http://www.thegrid.net/bookware/survey2.htm Participants will receive a free electronic book. (You don't have to own a Rocket eBook--everyone's views are welcome.) Thanks. - --John Galuszka ***December 21-27, 1999, reach me at Jean1@xxxxxx.com*** Contents of this e-mail are my opinion unless otherwise attributed. http://www.simegen.com/jean "The difference between malice and ignorance is hard to distinguish, and to maintain the desire to distinguish requires the patience of a saint."--John Kessel ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:10:01 -0400 Reply-To: shoshanah@xxxxxx.net Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: sunraven Subject: Re: Free E-books MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jean, Could I please trouble you for the addy of the ebooks listserve? This is something which might interest me greatly, and I wish to learn more about ebooks in general. TIA, Gently, Shoshana ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:51:50 -0600 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Jean Lorrah Subject: Photos of the JL's Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Everyone! I want to make a page on simegen.com that is an introduction to Jacqueline and me for people who may wander in for one of our contests (have all of you looked at the new parody contest?) or book reviews or some such and may wonder who the crazy people are behind all this. Now, I know that some of you have taken photographs of Jacqueline and me at conventions, and I also know that both of us look horrible in most of them--we're not very photogenic. Still--is it possible that among all those snaps and flashes, someone caught one in which we both look reasonably good? Human at least? It should be a photo taken within the past five years. If you have such a photo, could you possibly send a print of it to me? I have a scanner--and I will probably have to crop, color correct, or otherwise manipulate any photo taken in the typical convention conditions. If you have a decent photo of the two of us, please let me know. Thanks! Jean ***Dec. 21-27, 1999 reach me at Jean1@xxxxxx.com*** Visit my website, http://www.simegen.com/jean ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:59:39 -0600 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Jean Lorrah Subject: Astrobiology Institute Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Many of you scientific types--or just those who are curious--will be interested in NASA's new Astrobiology Institute for the study of the development of life in the universe. There's lots of fascinating stuff at http://nai.arc.nasa.gov/index.cfm Jean ***December 21-27, 1999, reach me at Jean1@xxxxxx.com*** Contents of this e-mail are my opinion unless otherwise attributed. http://www.simegen.com/jean "The difference between malice and ignorance is hard to distinguish, and to maintain the desire to distinguish requires the patience of a saint."--John Kessel ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:34:35 -0600 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Jean Lorrah Subject: The Future of Books Comments: To: writers-l@xxxxxx.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You may be interested in the article at this URL http://publishersweekly.com/articles/19991115_82738.asp about where book publishing is going in the near future. Jean ***Dec. 21-27, 1999 reach me at Jean1@xxxxxx.com*** Visit my website, http://www.simegen.com/jean ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:51:35 -0800 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Don Jaramillo Subject: Publishing on Demand Report on NPR MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There was a report on Publishing on Demand a few days ago on NPR's All Things Considered. Here is the link: http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/atc/19991115.atc.16.ram Follow Your Bliss!! Don ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:57:33 -0500 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: "James D. Macdonald" Subject: Re: The Future of Books In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991118133435.007ab4c0@xxxxxx.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT "By 2005, we'll still have the printed book, but everything surrounding the book will change more than it has since 1905. By 2020, the book will probably be gone." I have just two words: Paperless Office On 18 Nov 99, at 13:34, Jean Lorrah wrote: > You may be interested in the article at this URL > > http://publishersweekly.com/articles/19991115_82738.asp > > about where book publishing is going in the near future. > > Jean > > > ***Dec. 21-27, 1999 reach me at Jean1@xxxxxx.com*** > Visit my website, http://www.simegen.com/jean > > ---------- > You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. > To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to > LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text > "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". > ---------- > ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:01:28 -0800 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: "Olson, Ann Marie" Subject: Re: The Future of Books MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Hello, > I have just two words: Paperless Office [AMO] ROTFLMAO! I'll belive that when I see it as well. Good point! Ann Marie ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:05:09 -0500 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Colleen Maynard Subject: Re: The Future of Books MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" James D. Macdonald writes: LOL! Yeah, we conducted business via e-mail quite often at the law firm where I was a secretary for two years. Kept a printed copy of every single e-mail, sent and received, in the file as well. Colleen ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:18:41 -0500 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: John Cowan Organization: Reuters Health Information Subject: Re: The Future of Books MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jean Lorrah wrote: > http://publishersweekly.com/articles/19991115_82738.asp Since (as an XML expert) I happen to know that this section: > Xtra, Xtra, XTML > Sandy Paul of SKP Associates made the case for setting standards > for electronic data interchange via XTML, a highly popular, > easy-to-use and flexible graphical text display that is superior > to HTML. "Get ready," she said. "It's not the strongest > who survive. Rather, it's those who adapt to change who survive." is 100% horseradish, I would look on the rest with a rather large chunk of rock salt. It's either XML or XHTML, not "XTML", and it is not a "graphical text display", whatever that may be. -- John Cowan http://www.reutershealth.com jcowan@xxxxxx.com Schlingt dreifach einen Kreis vom dies! / Schliess eurer Aug vor heiliger Schau Den er genoss vom Honig-Tau / Und trank die Milch vom Paradies. -- Coleridge (tr. Politzer) ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:33:42 +0000 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: "Dancer, The" Subject: Re: The Future of Books MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Olson, Ann Marie" wrote: > Hello, > > > I have just two words: Paperless Office > [AMO] > ROTFLMAO! I'll belive that when I see it as well. Good point! I have worked in one. Granted it was about the _only_ one I have ever seen or heard of, but we did manage it. D ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:37:17 -0800 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: "Olson, Ann Marie" Subject: Re: The Future of Books MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Hello, > I have worked in one. Granted it was about the _only_ one I have ever > seen or heard of, but we did manage it. [AMO] They keep talking about it where I work. Every once in a while the 'pointy haired boss' gets one of his bright ideas about going paperless and creates even more papers to strew about. Ann Marie ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:43:03 +0000 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: "Dancer, The" Subject: Re: The Future of Books MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Olson, Ann Marie" wrote: > Hello, > > > I have worked in one. Granted it was about the _only_ one I have ever > > seen or heard of, but we did manage it. > [AMO] > They keep talking about it where I work. papers strewn around my cube> Every once in a while the 'pointy haired boss' > gets one of his bright ideas about going paperless and creates even more > papers to strew about. Certainly _most_ offices that try to become paperless fail, more or less because they fail to replace the paper systems with non-paper systems....so everyone winds up doing lots of real paperwork explaining why such-and-such a process screwed up, or wasn't completed or the right people weren't notified. Errors are the last thing to go electronic. > > Ann Marie > hair!> > The boss at my last place did too. It's really quite amazing. D ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 01:37:04 -0800 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Jaye Subject: Re: SIMEGEN-L Digest - 17 Nov 1999 to 18 Nov 1999 (#1999-292) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jean - >those snaps and flashes, someone caught one in which we both look >reasonably good? Human at least? It should be a photo taken within the >past five years. How about one taken at NasFic? (Assuming you don't mind ME being in it too...) I just recently got it back and was going to ask if the 2 of you would mind if I posted it on my web page, or if you'd want a copy to post on SG, or both... I do not have an EXTRA copy at the moment (I gave the double print to Sunny), but I have a scan-in that my roommate made that I'd be happy to send. Cherri took the shot, and I think she did a pretty good job! My roommate is going to email me the copy and I'll forward it to you. "Your character is your fate.' ....Phil Ochs, 1973, writing about Richard Nixon Jaye orchestra@xxxxxx.com Please do not send unsolicited attachments. ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:50:57 EST Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: "Margaret L. Carter" Subject: Re: "paperless office" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm a part-time proofreader for the Maryland General Assembly. I've heard from the old-timers that when the computers were first introduced, it was predicted that within a few years proofreaders would no longer be needed. ROTFL, indeed! Since the computer system generates a variety of errors all its own, and nobody really trusts it even when it's working right, they rely on us to check up after it. The number of proofreaders has grown significantly since the pre-"paperless" era. And to copyedit the material, of course we have to receive printouts of it, including a new printout every time a corrected version is produced. (When the bills were first posted on the legislature's web site, they even printed out some of them so we could "proofread" the Internet.) Even if I hadn't experienced this phenomenon, I wouldn't believe for a moment that electronic media will displace books. Supplement, yes, obviously, but not entirely replace. ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:03:20 -0600 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Jean Lorrah Subject: Re: The Future of Books MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:05:09 -0500 Colleen Maynard writes: >James D. Macdonald writes: > > > >LOL! Yeah, we conducted business via e-mail quite often at the law >firm >where I was a secretary for two years. Kept a printed copy of every >single >e-mail, sent and received, in the file as well. Slowly but surely, though, these practices are changing. It has been many years now since I felt the need to print out my work at the end of each day's session when I was writing a story. I save to both hard drive and floppy at the end of each session, though--so if the hard drive won't boot tomorrow I can take the floppy to another computer. I save really important e-mail on two different computers--but that creates its own problem, as what was important six months ago may be unnecessary now, and I NEVER seem to find the time to prune through old posts and delete the ones we don't need anymore. So all that happens is that I have a cluttered computer (or three) instead of a cluttered desk. Sime~Gen Inc. is semi-paperless. Certain records are required on paper by law, and at the moment everything that must be signed has to have a paper existence. That will change in a few years, though--you know that electronic gadget you sign on when UPS delivers a package? WHEN enough people want to be able to conduct business on-line that requires signatures, koala pads will become common. Not if, when. No, not everyone will have one--just every business and every individual who frequently has to provide a signature. Those of you who have signed agreements to permit your work to be posted on simegen.com know that we now have a fax number. That saves time and snailmail--we are already faxing agreements back and forth, although it D0ES mean one paper printout at either end for the signatures. The problem with the term "paperless office" is that it was first bandied about in the early 1980's, when desktop computers made it possible to generate _more_ paper than ever before, and long before the connectivity of the Internet explosion made it possible to send and receive all sorts of things--and save them to several computers or a cache on the net without their ever having a paper form. It is only _now_ that the paperless office is slowly coming into existence, a good fifteen years after it was first predicted. It will be a long, long time before we completely abandon paper--we are too accustomed to it. Look at the work being done on stuff that will look and feel like paper, but will be programmed each morning with that day's news to read on the commuter train. Why are major companies working on such a strange and unwieldy thing, when obviously a small but clearly readable device like the RocketBook would be less awkward and easier to handle than a traditional newspaper? It could _easily_ be programmed with headlines, links to stories--just look at any on-line newspaper. Yet because of _what we are accustomed to_, companies are seriously working on "electronic paper." Does anyone else think that if they ever actually get this stuff on the market, it will have a marketing lifespan slightly shorter than that of the Edsel? Jean All opinions expressed in this post are my own unless otherwise indicated. Visit my website, http://www.simegen.com/Jean "I don't think happiness is a permanent state; it's some kind of treaty you make with your circumstances at the time."--Robert Plant ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 17:17:49 -0500 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: John Cowan Organization: Reuters Health Information Subject: Re: The Future of Books MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jean Lorrah wrote: > Why are major companies > working on such a strange and unwieldy thing, when obviously a small but > clearly readable device like the RocketBook would be less awkward and > easier to handle than a traditional newspaper? Since you ask: size weight contrast stability (no batteries required) -- John Cowan http://www.reutershealth.com jcowan@xxxxxx.com Schlingt dreifach einen Kreis vom dies! / Schliess eurer Aug vor heiliger Schau Den er genoss vom Honig-Tau / Und trank die Milch vom Paradies. -- Coleridge (tr. Politzer) ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 23:02:02 +0000 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Jenn Vesperman Subject: Re: The Future of Books MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Cowan wrote: > > Jean Lorrah wrote: > > > Why are major companies > > working on such a strange and unwieldy thing, when obviously a small but > > clearly readable device like the RocketBook would be less awkward and > > easier to handle than a traditional newspaper? > > Since you ask: > > size > weight > contrast > stability (no batteries required) And because it's not obvious to some people - and because some people won't want to spend on a RocketBook but might on a paper-analogue. At first, noone seriously wanted a walkman. You can't predict what people will pick up on. Jenn V. -- Humans are the only species to feed and house entirely separate species for no reason other than the pleasure of their company. Why? jenn@xxxxxx.com Jenn Vesperman http://www.simegen.com/~jenn/ ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 17:10:58 -0600 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Jean Lorrah Subject: Ready for a vacation in space? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Here's a news story for the near future: http://www.cnn.com/TECH/space/9911/16/leisure.space.reut/index.html Jean ***December 21-27, 1999, reach me at Jean1@xxxxxx.com*** Contents of this e-mail are my opinion unless otherwise attributed. http://www.simegen.com/jean "The difference between malice and ignorance is hard to distinguish, and to maintain the desire to distinguish requires the patience of a saint."--John Kessel ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 22:32:18 -0800 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Susan Ross Moore Subject: I made a fiction sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Attention, Star Trek fans: John Ordover, editor-in-chief of Pocket Books' Star Trek line, has just posted to alt.startrek.creative the list of winners for the third volume of Strange New Worlds. My story, "Family Matters," is included! It's a TOS story featuring Spock. The published book will probably be out in early May of next year. I'm still shocked, but seeing it "in print" on the newsgroup -- plus getting a personal phone call from Mr. Ordover -- must be proof enough. My congratulations to all the other winners. Susan *********************************************** Need to advertise or show off a favorite photo? Of course you do!! You need buttons! Visit the Fannish Enterprises Web site at: http://www.angelfire.com/biz/fannishenterprises *********************************************** ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 22:49:59 -0500 Reply-To: Amy Harlib Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Amy Harlib Subject: Re: I made a fiction sale MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WOW!!!! MAZELTOV!!!! CONGRATS!!!! What a Thanksgiving present! Live long and prosper!!! Amy > Attention, Star Trek fans: > > John Ordover, editor-in-chief of Pocket Books' Star Trek line, has just > posted to alt.startrek.creative the list of winners for the third volume of > Strange New Worlds. My story, "Family Matters," is included! It's a TOS > story featuring Spock. > > The published book will probably be out in early May of next year. > > I'm still shocked, but seeing it "in print" on the newsgroup -- plus > getting a personal phone call from Mr. Ordover -- must be proof enough. > > My congratulations to all the other winners. > > Susan > > *********************************************** > Need to advertise or show off a favorite photo? > Of course you do!! You need buttons! > > Visit the Fannish Enterprises Web site at: > http://www.angelfire.com/biz/fannishenterprises > *********************************************** > > ---------- > You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. > To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to > LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text > "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". > ---------- ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 08:04:29 -0500 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: "James D. Macdonald" Subject: Various Virus Protections In-Reply-To: <381EE7A7.95671CF8@xxxxxx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT There's an article at Byte.com about several anti-virus products, including one which will watch your computer's registry (if you're running Windows) to keep nasty things that appear in the email from lodging themselves there. That's the Happy New Year and the Melissa programs, among others. Check it out at http://www.byte.com/column/BYT19991111S0004 Best, Jim ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 13:26:54 -0600 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Jean Lorrah Subject: Congratulations, Susan! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Susan writes, >John Ordover, editor-in-chief of Pocket Books' Star Trek line, has just >posted to alt.startrek.creative the list of winners for the third volume of >Strange New Worlds. My story, "Family Matters," is included! It's a TOS >story featuring Spock. Yay, Susan! Way to go! Jean ***December 21-27, 1999, reach me at Jean1@xxxxxx.com*** Contents of this e-mail are my opinion unless otherwise attributed. http://www.simegen.com/jean "The difference between malice and ignorance is hard to distinguish, and to maintain the desire to distinguish requires the patience of a saint."--John Kessel ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 18:43:55 -0800 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Jaye Subject: Re: SIMEGEN-L Digest - 19 Nov 1999 to 20 Nov 1999 (#1999-294) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Those of you who have signed agreements to permit your work to be posted >on simegen.com know that we now have a fax number. That saves time and Before I changed my name, I entered my signature using my glidepoint (touchpad), and saved it where I could simply import it into a WordPro file if I needed it to fax out. I haven't taken the time to do it yet with the new name, but I need to. The one worry I have about it is that if someone stole my computer -- or even the CD if I were to store it on one -- they'd have access to my signature. I think that's one reason I haven't done the new one, to be honest. I know I'll eventually decide on a way I want to do it and keep it safe. BTW, I LOVE my CD burner! I seldom use floppies any more. If I'm worried about something that is still in the works being lost, I email it to my roommate and he saves it on his computer too. Then once it's finalized, it goes onto CD. At some point I want to get a CD-RW, but that's down the line. I hope the CD-RW disks will come down in price as the burners do. Susan -- CONGRATS!!!!!!!!! "Your character is your fate.' ....Phil Ochs, 1973, writing about Richard Nixon Jaye orchestra@xxxxxx.com Please do not send unsolicited attachments. ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 11:09:24 -0600 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Jean Lorrah Subject: Tonyo shocks Sime Territory MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Insanely busy as I am, I still have to walk my dog, and during those walks various characters talk to me. Yesterday, Bru Logan and Reeon ambrov Dar decided to pester me again--by telling me about a song by Tonyo Logan. Remember these guys? They started pestering me last summer to tell their story, when I didn't even know what their story _was_. Anyway, yesterday they decided to tell me about going to karaoke night (or whatever they call amateur night in-t in Digen's day), where Reeon took the microphone and drove Bru into squirming blushes by singing "When I Caress You with my Laterals," a Zhag~Tonyo song. If you recall, Reeon, who is renSime, is Tonyo's great-grandson, while Bru is a Logan Gen--no genetic relationship to Tonyo. Because of Reeon's transfer problems, somewhat similar to Laneff's except that there _is_ no channel who can keep him alive, he and Bru are allowed to be transfer partners. It's more complicated than that (what S~G relationship isn't?), but that's all you need to know when the point of this post is the song. When Reeon sings it, he is singing an old classic, a nostalgia piece. But when Tonyo first came out with the lyrics to that song, he shocked even the liberal residents of Gulf Territory! Of course Tonyo sang it as "When you caress me with your laterals," and the lyrics are deliberately ambiguous: When you caress me with your laterals, It sends fire right up my spine, When I sense your touch upon my skin, I want to feel your lips on mine. Think about it. The song can be sung both in need and post--meaning two entirely different things! When Tonyo sings it to a Sime woman in the audience, it's a love/lust song--and immediately after Unity sex between a Sime and a Gen is still a pretty shocking idea. But when he sings it to Zhag, it's even more shocking--a Gen singing about the _pleasure_ of transferring selyn???? Now all I have to do is figure out a story in which I can introduce the song. Jean All opinions expressed in this post are my own unless otherwise indicated. Visit my website, http://www.simegen.com/Jean "I don't think happiness is a permanent state; it's some kind of treaty you make with your circumstances at the time."--Robert Plant ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 13:13:00 -0500 Reply-To: Jacqueline Lichtenberg Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Jacqueline Lichtenberg Subject: Re: I made a fiction sale MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Susan wrote: > John Ordover, editor-in-chief of Pocket Books' Star Trek line, has just > posted to alt.startrek.creative the list of winners for the third volume of > Strange New Worlds. My story, "Family Matters," is included! It's a TOS > story featuring Spock. > Wow, Susan -- that's GREAT!!! I'm squealing with delight -- oh -- yeaaaahhhh!!!! Picture virtual champaign being poured over your head! LL&P JL ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 13:29:34 -0500 Reply-To: Jacqueline Lichtenberg Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Jacqueline Lichtenberg Subject: Re: Publishing on Demand Report on NPR MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don wrote: > There was a report on Publishing on Demand a few days ago on NPR's All > Things Considered. Here is the link: > > http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/atc/19991115.atc.16.ram > Thank you Don -- we all see this hurtling at us. I read this after noting Jaye's remarks about the digital signature and CD-burners vs. RW. My 70 year old husband wants to buy a PDA to do grocery lists and errand-chore lists and appointments. He doesn't want to use PAPER anymore. The one attribute of PAPER and PEN that hasn't yet been duplicated electronically is PERMANENCE. You don't need any special particular (format-reliant Y2K compliant) anything to read a piece of paper. You need to learn to read -- but once you do that, you can read anything -- even puzzle it out in a foreign alphabet! And you never have to transform the data from one format to the next newest format or risk losing access to it. That attribute is what makes paper so hard to get rid of. And it makes it necessary for legal records -- which is why we've now got a fax number for returning contracts to us. And I still print out e-books to read them. The almost acceptable Palm Pilot readers cost $400, and no doubt the format will CHANGE again making your collection of books inaccessible. Hey, guys, I'm bringing Jean Lorrah's Zhag-Tonyo story to Darkover ON PAPER to be READ ALOUD -- how old fashioned can you get? JL ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 07:08:35 -0500 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Larry P Ulrey Subject: Fw:CONS: Get out the moving vans GenCon is coming in 03 to Indianapolis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got this news about Gencon, the _big_ gaming con that has been held in Milwakee. It's moving to Indianapolis. They currently have around 25,000 people, but they expect it to grow to 35,000. Of course, the Milwakee people aren't happy about it, but most of the attendees are either from the Chicago area or south of there, so it will be better for most people. Larry Ulrey ulrey@xxxxxx.com --------- Forwarded message ---------- http://www.onwis.com/wi/112099/wi%2D%2Dgencon112099.asp MILWAUKEE (AP) - Citing inadequate hotel space in the city, Gen Con will move its annual summer gathering of gamers to Indianapolis in 2003, a Milwaukee convention official says. "This is a huge disappointment to us, but the show must go on," Dawn Poker, vice president of sales and marketing for the Greater Milwaukee Convention and Visitors Bureau, said Friday. The August event, one of the city's largest conventions and the biggest gaming convention in North America, has been a fixture in Milwaukee since 1985. The event grew out of a tiny show begun in Lake Geneva in 1968 by Dungeons & Dragons creator Gary Gygax. Gen Con is the second major convention to pull out of Milwaukee recently. The International Association of Chiefs of Police withdrew from a commitment to hold its annual convention in Milwaukee, citing inadequate space at the Midwest Express Center. Now for the story that was in the Milwaukee paper. http://www.onwis.com/bym/news/nov99/gencon20111999.asp Gen Con will leave Milwaukee in 2003 Headline: Gamers' event to relocate to Indianapolis; company cites lack of hotel rooms By Douglas Armstrong and Mary Carole McCauley of the Journal Sentinel staff Last Updated: Nov. 19, 1999 As Milwaukee convention officials had feared, Gen Con has decided to move its annual August gathering of gamers to Indianapolis in 2003, citing inadequate hotel space in Milwaukee, a convention officials Friday. "This is a huge disappointment to us, but the show must go on," said Dawn Poker, vice president of sales and marketing for the Greater Milwaukee Convention & Visitors Bureau. The event, one of the city's largest conventions and the biggest gaming convention in North America, has been a fixture in Milwaukee since 1985. It has its roots in Wisconsin. The event grew out of a tiny show begun in Lake Geneva in 1968 by Dungeons & Dragons creator Gary Gygax. In an effort to retain Gen Con and its 20,000-plus attendees beyond the current contract through August 2002, a delegation flew to Seattle last month to present a new offer to Wizards of the Coast, the company that stages Gen Con.Wizards of the Coast officials familiar with the Gen Con decision could not be reached for comment. Convention officials now face the task of replacing Gen Con, which dominated the same period each year during a prime season for tourism. Poker said Friday that a number of convention prospects had expressed an interest in the August dates. "We're confident we will fill the void," she said. "Our second options are not going to bring in 20,000 to 25,000 delegates annually, but we're not going to give the space up to just anyone." She estimated that other events that previously expressed an interest in the time slot would draw 8,000 to 10,000 visitors. Poker said the bureau had turned down "hundreds of prospects" over the years for the coveted August convention slot because Gen Con had the first option on the time period. TSR, which produced Dungeons & Dragons and put on Gen Con, was bought out by Wizards of the Coast in 1997. Wizards of the Coast, makers of Pokemon cards and a popular trading card game called Magic: The Gathering, agreed to be purchased by toy maker Hasbro Inc. for $325 million in September. The show's director of marketing spoke of the long state ties during an interview at Gen Con in August. "There's the tradition here, the sense of history about coming from this state," said Susan Scheid. "Now people come here and know to put on their navigators and head for (Major) Goolsby's or the Safe House." In notifying convention officials here of the decision to move to Indianapolis, Wizards of the Coast said that was the lack of hotel rooms "immediately adjacent to the facility" was their greatest concern. "Like it or not, this is the nature of business," said Poker. "We're in such a competitive environment today. You have to remember that we presented a package to them a few years ago that kept them here for three more years after their 1999 contract." It was the second major convention to pull out of Milwaukee recently. In August, the International Association of Chiefs of Police withdrew from a commitment to hold its 2001 convention in Milwaukee. It cited inadequate space at the Midwest Express Center. Poker said that convention officials still haven't given up on Gen Con. "We're not going to close the door on getting them back at some point," she said. Gaming enthusiasts said Friday that the relocation of the convention will make it more difficult for them to attend their favorite event. But more important, they said, Milwaukee is losing an integral part of the city's identity. "I think the decision stinks," said Paul Regner, 19, of Muskego, who's been gaming off and on for four years. "Milwaukee with Lake Michigan and the brewery tours are part of that tradition. Will I go to Indianapolis? Probably not." "I said this would happen a few years ago," said Fritz Buchholtz, a regular Gen Con attendee and owner of Napoleon's, a Shorewood gaming store. "And I tell you, it's really going to hurt my business. Every year, an awful lot of out-of-town people came into my store who won't be coming here any longer." Others said the perceived problems with Milwaukee might, in reality, be a function of poor business decisions by Wizards of the Coast. For instance, if lack of downtown hotel rooms was a problem, why schedule Gen Con on the same weekend as the Wisconsin State Fair? "I think they're alienating their core audience, and the whole industry will suffer," said John Wagenske, a gaming storeowner and regular exhibitor at the convention. "I can't believe they're doing this," said Pat Pirwitz, 25, of New Berlin. "I just can't believe it. People plan weddings around Gen Con. I plan my vacations around it." Appeared in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel on Nov. 20,1999. ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 08:28:50 -0600 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Jean Lorrah Subject: Hollywood's take on SF Classics Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Here is a "truth is stranger than fiction" anecdote that was just posted to the listserv for the International Association for the Fantastic in the Arts. It's about Star Trek and Jules Verne, but we can expect the same kind of thinking if we every get a big studio interested in the S~G movie. Jean I'm taking a class on the history of Star Trek at UCLA, taught by Robert Justman, the original asst. producer of the first series and producer for TNG. This week was acting--Justman's guest's including J. Frakes, Patrick Steward and John de Lancie. I asked the panel this question: Why is it that in 1999, with the most talented people in the country, and funded by the most money ever, with the most sophisticated technical equipment in the history of the art, is Hollywood making the WORST films in its history??? John de Lancie (AKA Q) fielded the question. Part of the answer, he explained is the use (misuse) of demographics by the d(development) people who are presently in charge of saying 'yes' to the picture. He illustrated with recounting a recent meeting with a Unamed Big Studio. John was pitching a remake of the Jules Verne story, First Men in the Moon to the studio suits. Suits to John: We think this is a great idea. John: Glad you like it. Suits: Just two points. Two small points. John: ....yea...? Suit One We want an 18 year old girl. John: Is that in the nov--? (long pause while teeth gnash) OK, we can work with that. Suit Two Just one more thing. We want to story to be contemporary--set in the present. John: You want a Jules Verne story set in the PRESENT??? But guys...we've been to the moon! Suit One That's OK, John. John: OK?? Suit One Yea, just make them go to Mars! John: ........... ***Dec. 21-27, 1999 reach me at Jean1@xxxxxx.com*** Visit my website, http://www.simegen.com/jean ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 10:51:20 -0500 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: John Cowan Organization: Reuters Health Information Subject: Re: Hollywood's take on SF Classics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jean Lorrah wrote: > He > illustrated with recounting a recent meeting with a Unamed Big Studio. > John was pitching a remake of the Jules Verne story, First Men in the > Moon to the studio suits. [anecdote snipped] This looks like a rewrite of a classic Hollywood Mogul exchange: Mogul 1: Hey, Sam, I've just bought a really hot property -- it's called _The Well Of Loneliness_. Mogul 2: You can't use that! It's about two lesbians! Mogul 1: So? We'll make them Austrians! -- John Cowan http://www.reutershealth.com jcowan@xxxxxx.com Schlingt dreifach einen Kreis vom dies! / Schliess eurer Aug vor heiliger Schau Den er genoss vom Honig-Tau / Und trank die Milch vom Paradies. -- Coleridge (tr. Politzer) ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 08:02:43 -0600 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Jean Lorrah Subject: Happy Faith Day MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Sime~Gen equivalent to Thanksgiving is Faith Day, a holiday celebrated post-Unity in North America in commemoration of the event that averted Zelerod's Doom on that continent. If you have read ZD, you remember that Klyd Farris and Risa Tigue had managed to combine the armies of several Sime and Gen Territories to fight the huge band of Raiding Simes that resulted from the collapse of NorthWest Sime Territory. The battle went on into the early winter, but the precarious alliance between Sime and Gen was in danger of collapsing when the Gens ran out of food and the Simes ran out of selyn. The solution was obvious--but not easy. The Simes gave all their food to the Gens, the Gens--through channels--donated selyn for the Simes. The combined army was able to fight on long enough to defeat the Raiders once and for all. But to prevent the threat of Zelerod's Doom from returning within a few years, Risa and Klyd made a rash promise: they promised to disjunct all of Sime Territory. Whereupon occurred a genuine miracle: They succeeded. How that miracle came to pass is a story of the faith and sacrifice of many thousands of people. Some of their stories are being told in my Zhag~Tonyo series. Those of you going to Darkover will hear the latest tale. Here's wishing all of our American fans a Happy Thanksgiving spent with those you care for most. Jean All opinions expressed in this post are my own unless otherwise indicated. Visit my website, http://www.simegen.com/Jean "I don't think happiness is a permanent state; it's some kind of treaty you make with your circumstances at the time."--Robert Plant ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:04:15 -0500 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Darhyl Kerr Subject: Re: Happy Faith Day Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is it at all possible to get copies of these stories without attending the = convention? I would be willing to pay but I am not in a position to = attend the convention and I have heard a lot about these stories and would = love to have access to them if there is anyway. Thank you in advance for = any information you can give me. =20 By the way I have all of your Savage Empire books as well as the Sime/Gen = books and love them all - I bought them when they first came out. >>> Jean Lorrah >> The Sime~Gen equivalent to Thanksgiving is Faith Day, a holiday celebrated post-Unity in North America in commemoration of the event that averted Zelerod's Doom on that continent. If you have read ZD, you remember that Klyd Farris and Risa Tigue had managed to combine the armies of several Sime and Gen Territories to fight the huge band of Raiding Simes that resulted from the collapse of NorthWest Sime Territory. The battle went on into the early winter, but the precarious alliance between Sime and Gen was in danger of collapsing when the Gens ran out of food and the Simes ran out of selyn. The solution was obvious--but not easy. The Simes gave all their food to the Gens, the Gens--through channels--donated selyn for the Simes. The combined army was able to fight on long enough to defeat the Raiders once and for all. But to prevent the threat of Zelerod's Doom from returning within a few years, Risa and Klyd made a rash promise: they promised to disjunct all of Sime Territory. Whereupon occurred a genuine miracle: They succeeded. How that miracle came to pass is a story of the faith and sacrifice of many thousands of people. Some of their stories are being told in my Zhag~Tonyo series. Those of you going to Darkover will hear the latest tale. Here's wishing all of our American fans a Happy Thanksgiving spent with those you care for most. Jean All opinions expressed in this post are my own unless otherwise indicated. Visit my website, http://www.simegen.com/Jean=20 "I don't think happiness is a permanent state; it's some kind of treaty you make with your circumstances at the time."--Robert Plant ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. =20 To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:17:57 -0600 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Jean Lorrah Subject: Interesting Presentation on E-books Comments: To: writers-l@xxxxxx.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Apologies for the crossposting to those of you who are on both simegen-l and writers-l. However, I think people on either list would be interested in this presentation on the future of books, both print and electronic. Jean Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:44:12 -0800 From: Julie Atkins Subject: [eBook-List] E-book presentation and links All, For any newbies on the list, I recently created a Powerpoint presentation that summarizes the state of the e-book industry as of now (November, 1999). The presentation contains a link to a page that organizes and summarizes a whole mass of e-book-related links. The presentation was prepared to be delivered at the Region 8 conference of the Society for Technical Communication. Here's the link: http://www.atkins.com/region8/index.htm Thanks, Julie Atkins Technical writer and e-book editor ***December 21-27, 1999, reach me at Jean1@xxxxxx.com*** Contents of this e-mail are my opinion unless otherwise attributed. http://www.simegen.com/jean "The difference between malice and ignorance is hard to distinguish, and to maintain the desire to distinguish requires the patience of a saint."--John Kessel ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:30:25 -0600 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Jean Lorrah Subject: Vampire Dreams Comments: cc: cormo@xxxxxx.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Suzy McKee Charnas' play, _Vampire Dreams_, begins playing off-Broadway on Dec. 1. Find out more at http://mefistonyc.com/ . Even if you live nowhere near NYC, there is interesting commentary by a dramaturge on the website, and an interview with Charnas. BTW, if Margaret had not said on the IAFA list that the interview was there, I would never have had the patience to find it. You click on the title of the play. Yes, they have put the title in blue, but as it's not underlined, I tried that only in desperation after I had tried every other way to find the interview. Is anyone else annoyed by this new trend in website design, ASSUMING people will click on practically every word or graphic on a page to see if there is anyplace else to go? Once again--if I had not KNOWN there was an interview accessible from that site somehow, I would never have found it. Jean ***December 21-27, 1999, reach me at Jean1@xxxxxx.com*** Contents of this e-mail are my opinion unless otherwise attributed. http://www.simegen.com/jean "The difference between malice and ignorance is hard to distinguish, and to maintain the desire to distinguish requires the patience of a saint."--John Kessel ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 21:47:22 -0600 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Jean Lorrah Subject: Re: Happy Faith Day MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:04:15 -0500 Darhyl Kerr writes: >Is it at all possible to get copies of these stories without attending >the convention? I would be willing to pay but I am not in a position >to attend the convention and I have heard a lot about these stories >and would love to have access to them if there is anyway. Thank you >in advance for any information you can give me. No, I'm sorry, but I still have the crazy idea that these stories might eventually see professional publication. If they circulate in manuscript, they are published--and that means I can no longer sell the First Rights that are the only rights trade publishers are interested in buying. Reading a story aloud, however, has a long tradition and is not considered to be publication. If enough time passes with no sale that I give up, then I will find a way for fans to get the stories. No, it is not the money--this is the second time fans have offered to pay for individual copies of my work. Neither Jacqueline nor I can do that--at least not until self-publishing becomes so common and respectable that authors' professional organizations recognize such work as professional. >By the way I have all of your Savage Empire books as well as the >Sime/Gen books and love them all - I bought them when they first came >out. Thank you. Once Jacqueline and I finish this first buildout of simegen.com, I will be seeking the best way to get all the Savage Empire books available once again--and possibly write some new ones. But at the moment, I haven't time to think about that. Tell you what, though. I have two stories in a series I started six or eight years ago, not Sime~Gen, not Savage Empire--a whimsical space opera series about a merchant spaceship with a mixed crew of humans and nonhumans. I HAVE given up on ever getting a sf magazine to buy those stories, so next year we will be putting those stories up on simegen.com as premiums for fans to download. We'll let you know when they're available. Jean All opinions expressed in this post are my own unless otherwise indicated. Visit my website, http://www.simegen.com/Jean "I don't think happiness is a permanent state; it's some kind of treaty you make with your circumstances at the time."--Robert Plant ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 09:50:49 EST Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Janice StClair Subject: Re: Lorrahstories MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/26/1999 10:00:29 AM, you wrote: << so next year we will be putting those stories up on simegen.com as premiums for fans to download. >> WHEE! YAHOOOO! SLAVER, SLAVER...DANCE DANCE DANCE. Yet another reason to celebrate Thanksgiving! Thanks, Jean.! Breath is bated! Can't wait! Pax. Janice ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 12:02:34 EST Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Wendy Fisher Subject: Re: Lorrahstories MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ALL RIGHT! Can't wait! Putting this at the top of my follow-up list to NAG you about! Hugs ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 13:17:57 EST Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: "Margaret L. Carter" Subject: Re: VAMPIRE DREAMS; Sime~Gen stories MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, it's a good interview on the theater site (once you find it). However, be warned that it isn't quite accurate -- Suzy stated on the IAFA list that there are a couple of things in it she didn't say. She IS still interested in having a movie made of VAMPIRE TAPESTRY. It's under option, in fact (in England, I think she said). And the remark "I am not a commercial artist" is not a quote; it's a distortion of her statement that she has never earned enough to be able to make a living from writing. (Gad, if a "star" like Suzy -- major awards to her credit, several books that have been in print for many years -- can't make a "living wage," what's the hope for the rest of us?) RE publishing the Zhag-Tonyo series: Jean -- e-books, e-books! They don't pay advances, but they pay high percentage royalty rates and are becoming steadily more "respectable" in the eyes of professional organizations. I look forward eagerly to that other series you mentioned being posted on the web. LL&P, Margaret Carter ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 19:27:55 -0600 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Jean Lorrah Subject: Re: Lorrahstories MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, 26 Nov 1999 09:50:49 EST Janice StClair writes: >In a message dated 11/26/1999 10:00:29 AM, you wrote: > ><< so next year we will be putting those stories up on simegen.com >as premiums for fans to download. >>> > >WHEE! YAHOOOO! SLAVER, SLAVER...DANCE DANCE DANCE. >Yet another reason to celebrate Thanksgiving! Thanks, Jean.! >Breath is bated! Can't wait! >Pax. >Janice I think you'll like these stories--they're the kind that readers love and editors hate. I think it will remind you of FARSCAPE in a way--the same premise of members of different species having to learn to live together, accept one another's idiosyncrasies, and run the ship to survive. But otherwise it's quite different (and mine actually came first). What the main characters fear to lose is their home--this merchant ship is the only home they have, and if they cannot turn a profit, they will be turned out. And for a variety of different reasons, they have nowhere else to go. The idea was that as the series of tales unfolded, we would learn the stories of the various characters, and what brought them to this lifestyle. The most mysterious is the Ship's Accountant, who is a member of a species evolved from something like a flying fox or squirrel. Yes--he can fly. Well, he can glide, anyway. So why would a forest creature who was meant to dwell in the tall trees choose a life in the confines of a spaceship? Stay tuned--soon after Year's Turning, we will tell you how you can obtain these stories, free of charge, for your own reading pleasure. Jean All opinions expressed in this post are my own unless otherwise indicated. Visit my website, http://www.simegen.com/Jean "I don't think happiness is a permanent state; it's some kind of treaty you make with your circumstances at the time."--Robert Plant ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 19:54:23 -0600 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Jean Lorrah Subject: Re: VAMPIRE DREAMS; Sime~Gen stories MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, 26 Nov 1999 13:17:57 EST "Margaret L. Carter" writes: >RE publishing the Zhag-Tonyo series: Jean -- e-books, e-books! They >don't >pay advances, but they pay high percentage royalty rates and are >becoming >steadily more "respectable" in the eyes of professional >organizations. Yes, that is probably what will eventually become of the stories. At the moment, the problem is choosing the right places to submit them--I really haven't had time to do the research. Far fewer sites take short stories than take novels, and of course I am looking for a combination of a good contract, a site that actually promotes, and a good reputation. Furthermore, a couple more stories and, because they average 10,000 words, I will have enough to make a book. If it's at all possible, I would prefer to have my work on a site like www.pulpless.com, where print copies are available via InstaPrint/LightningPrint for those who want print text. In the meantime, I'm looking for the right test for Tonyo. Like Zhag, he is physically junct--he has to provide junct transfer to Zhag to keep him alive. But Zhag is unquestionably psychologically disjunct. Tonyo knows his strength--he knows he is physically capable of killing a Sime with his field, but while he has learned to be careful not to hurt anyone by accident, he has never been tempted to deliberately kill. I am puzzling over how to set up the test for him. Jean All opinions expressed in this post are my own unless otherwise indicated. Visit my website, http://www.simegen.com/Jean "I don't think happiness is a permanent state; it's some kind of treaty you make with your circumstances at the time."--Robert Plant ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 12:02:01 EST Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Ann Partridge Subject: Re: VAMPIRE DREAMS; Sime~Gen stories MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/27/99 9:13:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, jean1@xxxxxx.COM writes: << Tonyo knows his strength--he knows he is physically capable of killing a Sime with his field, but while he has learned to be careful not to hurt anyone by accident, he has never been tempted to deliberately kill. I am puzzling over how to set up the test for him. >> This sounds so exciting. Most days I am happy not to have to deal with all of the difficulties of a writer's life, but I have to envy anyone who has the particular task at hand of putting a favorite character to the test. The thought of it brings back the evil joy of childhood games in which I could create and play characters designed down to the last detail to drive everyone nuts. In my normal everyday life driving everyone nuts is not a legitimate pastime anymore. I suppose it could be again if I ever found time to sit down and write something. Or maybe I should join an amateur theatrical group and play the villianess. Good luck with Tonyo. I am sure that whatever you do to him, he will not appreciate it, but your readers will. ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:23:52 -0500 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Darhyl Kerr Subject: Re: Happy Faith Day Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you very much for the information and I would be very interested in = those stories. I am sad that I can't have access to the others,but I can = certainly understand why. Thank you so much for taking the time to = respond. I appreciate that as much as anything. >>> Jean Lorrah >> On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:04:15 -0500 Darhyl Kerr writes: >Is it at all possible to get copies of these stories without attending >the convention? I would be willing to pay but I am not in a position >to attend the convention and I have heard a lot about these stories >and would love to have access to them if there is anyway. Thank you >in advance for any information you can give me. No, I'm sorry, but I still have the crazy idea that these stories might eventually see professional publication. If they circulate in manuscript, they are published--and that means I can no longer sell the First Rights that are the only rights trade publishers are interested in buying. Reading a story aloud, however, has a long tradition and is not considered to be publication. If enough time passes with no sale that I give up, then I will find a way for fans to get the stories. No, it is not the money--this is the second time fans have offered to pay for individual copies of my work. Neither Jacqueline nor I can do that--at least not until self-publishing becomes so common and respectable that authors' professional organizations recognize such work as professional. >By the way I have all of your Savage Empire books as well as the >Sime/Gen books and love them all - I bought them when they first came >out. Thank you. Once Jacqueline and I finish this first buildout of simegen.com, I will be seeking the best way to get all the Savage Empire books available once again--and possibly write some new ones. But at the moment, I haven't time to think about that. Tell you what, though. I have two stories in a series I started six or eight years ago, not Sime~Gen, not Savage Empire--a whimsical space opera series about a merchant spaceship with a mixed crew of humans and nonhumans. I HAVE given up on ever getting a sf magazine to buy those stories, so next year we will be putting those stories up on simegen.com as premiums for fans to download. We'll let you know when they're available. Jean All opinions expressed in this post are my own unless otherwise indicated. Visit my website, http://www.simegen.com/Jean=20 "I don't think happiness is a permanent state; it's some kind of treaty you make with your circumstances at the time."--Robert Plant ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. =20 To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:50:16 -0600 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Jean Lorrah Subject: Re: Sime~Gen stories MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sun, 28 Nov 1999 12:02:01 EST Ann Partridge writes: >This sounds so exciting. Most days I am happy not to have to deal >with all >of the difficulties of a writer's life, but I have to envy anyone who >has the >particular task at hand of putting a favorite character to the test. That's pretty good definition of story conflict--testing a beloved character nearly to destruction. >The >thought of it brings back the evil joy of childhood games in which I >could >create and play characters designed down to the last detail to drive >everyone >nuts. In my normal everyday life driving everyone nuts is not a >legitimate >pastime anymore. Gee--maybe that's why I became a teacher. I get to drive students nuts on a daily basis. > I suppose it could be again if I ever found time to >sit >down and write something. Or maybe I should join an amateur >theatrical group >and play the villianess. Good luck with Tonyo. I am sure that >whatever you >do to him, he will not appreciate it, but your readers will. Well, as always happens when a story begins to percolate in the back of my brain, all sorts of other information surfaces that may or may not end up in the story. This story takes place a few days after "The Story Untold," the one that was read at NasFic and Darkover this year. Zhag is married by this time to Thea ambrov Carre--and he is bursting with good news as they begin their journey home after the concert at Red Rocks: Thea is pregnant. When he tells Tonyo, his Companion learns that there is much more to his job than just saying, "Congratulations." Tonyo will be expected to assist at the birth--he will have to take that training as soon as they get back to Norlea. The child of two channels will likely be a channel--possibly a great Companion, but more likely a channel. Zhag, his daughter only days conceived, is already planning her future--which includes exacting a promise that Tonyo will take care of her if Zhag is not available. And a promise that if she does turn out a channel as expected, that Tonyo will give her First Transfer. As if that isn't enough to assimmilate, Tonyo, who by this time thought himself completely acculturated to Sime Territory, suddenly comes face to face with Householding pragmatism. It seems that Zhag and Thea have already decided--their first child still nearly nine months from being born--that if he is willing, Tonyo should father their second child. Carre, you see, hopes to get that fanir strain into its family, while Zhag and Thea also consider that if their child is a channel--pretty high probability--there is at least a 50% chance that Tonyo's child will be her perfect Companion. What all this has to do with a test of Tonyo's junctedness I don't know--but these are the things Zhag and Tonyo have been telling me the past couple of days! Jean All opinions expressed in this post are my own unless otherwise indicated. Visit my website, http://www.simegen.com/Jean "I don't think happiness is a permanent state; it's some kind of treaty you make with your circumstances at the time."--Robert Plant ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:38:20 +0000 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Jenn Vesperman Subject: Re: Sime~Gen stories MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jean Lorrah wrote: > What all this has to do with a test of Tonyo's junctedness I don't > know--but these are the things Zhag and Tonyo have been telling me the > past couple of days! Possibly Tonyo's junctedness isn't his specific weakness. Possibly Zhag's daughter grows up and changes over after the Tecton realises that Junct Companions cause technical junctedness in Channels. (I /think/ that's not yet, though. Closer to Digen's era.. I think. But you might want to check your timeline.) See, if Tonyo has promised to give her First Transfer and he's NOT ALLOWED TO because he's technically Junct ... Especially if Zhag is dead and he sees it as his Final Promise To Zhag - taking Zhag's daughter to adulthood and seeing her personally through the rite of passage .... Is this any help? Jenn V. -- Humans are the only species to feed and house entirely separate species for no reason other than the pleasure of their company. Why? jenn@xxxxxx.com Jenn Vesperman http://www.simegen.com/~jenn/ ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:05:10 -0600 Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Leigh Kimmel Subject: Re: Sime~Gen stories Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >See, if Tonyo has promised to give her First Transfer and he's NOT >ALLOWED TO because he's technically Junct ... >Especially if Zhag is dead and he sees it as his Final Promise To Zhag - >taking Zhag's daughter to adulthood and seeing her personally through >the rite of passage .... > Wow! That sounds like a great idea. Of course Jean has the final say, since she's writing it, not me, but I'd think this is a great way to introduce Tonyo's test for junctness -- a promise to a friend now dead (not quite as intense as a true deathbed promise, but still powerful). -- One terrified boy and the girl who would save him. "Claws of Vengeance" on sale now Alexandria Digital Literature http://www.alexlit.com/ Leigh Kimmel -- writer, artist and historian kimmel@xxxxxx.net http://members.tripod.com/~kimmel/lhkwebpage.html Ask me how to order the new Sime~Gen novel!!! Visit my bookstore at http://members.tripod.com/~kimmel/bookstore/ ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:28:17 EST Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Ann Partridge Subject: Re: Sime~Gen stories MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/29/99 5:59:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, jean1@xxxxxx.COM writes: << In my normal everyday life driving everyone nuts is not a >legitimate >pastime anymore. Gee--maybe that's why I became a teacher. I get to drive students nuts on a daily basis. >> Hmmmmmm. I hadn't thought of becoming a teacher. I always figured there would be way too much potential for the students to drive ME nuts! ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@xxxxxx.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:30:19 EST Reply-To: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" Sender: "A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" From: Ann Partridge Subject: Re: Sime~Gen stories MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/29/99 5:59:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, jean1@xxxxxx.COM writes: << What all this has to do with a test of Tonyo's junctedness I don't know--but these are the things Zhag and Tonyo have been telling me the past couple of days! >> Don't you think maybe the pragmatic householders would insist that a nonjunct give Zhag's daugher first transfer. Maybe there is a problem for Tonyo in there somewhere. ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. 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